Kurds in northern Iraq are holding hundreds of ISIS fighters
prisoner, including one who told FoxNews.com in an exclusive interview
that he killed as many as 70 people in the service of the radical
jihadist army.
“Omar, “ a 25-year-old former Islamic State fighter from the Iraqi
village of Dor sal-hadeen, said he killed scores of his countrymen and
foreign contractors after joining “Daesh,” as ISIS is known in the
region, in June. He said he fled the terrorist army in October, but was
quickly captured by Kurdish security forces.
“They came to our area and forced me to protect their lands,” Omar
said of his Islamic State commanders. “After a while they told me, ‘When
are you going to start protecting your own land?’
“They told me to do it or die, and then they killed people in front
of me,” said Omar, who is missing four fingers on his left hand from
what he said was a 2009 industrial accident. The disability nearly got
him killed by his ISIS handlers, he said, until he proved he could shoot
right-handed.
Omar is currently being held in an undisclosed prison in Sulymaniyah,
after being convicted of terrorism. He was initially sentenced to
death, but a judge commuted the sentence to life in prison.
Face to face with ISIS
FoxNews.com's
Hollie McKay last month traveled to Kurdish-administered territory in
Iraq's Sulymaniyah province, where she met face-to-face with two
imprisoned ex-Islamic State soldiers. The interviews were conducted over
the course of several hours, and took place in an office at
Sulymaniyah’s “Asaih,” or security facility, in the presence of a
Kurdish colonel and an independent Kurdish translator. No questions were
off-limits for the prisoners, who appeared in civilian clothes, and
were not handcuffed or shackled. Asaish officials provided mug shots of
the men, but as a condition of the interview insisted FoxNews.com not
use their full names.
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Sipping the tea provided by his Kurdish captors during the
FoxNews.com interview, Omar insisted he was an ISIS victim – and even
pledged to join the fight against them.
But victim or not, Omar said he became a prolific killer for ISIS, by
his count racking up 70 executions in a matter of months. He claimed he
killed his victims with rifle shots, and was chillingly candid about
why he did it.
“Because they were saying bad words about A'isha [one of Mohammad’s
wives, known as the “mother of believers”] and burning a mosque,” he
said, adding that he did not receive any type of reward from ISIS
leaders for the large number he killed.
Asked if he felt remorse, Omar replied said he “did not act on my own
will.” That claim drew a sharp rebuke from the commander of the
facility's department of investigation, prompting Omar to say he
deflected blame because he was uncomfortable around women.
Omar and other hundreds of other former ISIS soldiers and deserters
are being interrogated for intelligence that may help the Kurdish
Peshmerga army in its fight against the jihadist group. Kurdish
officials say the men are being held under conditions in adherence to
international law and monitored by the Red Cross.
Evidence against individual former combatants is gathered and
presented to a Kurdish judge, who decides whether prisoners are held or
released, according to the Kurdish commander who sat in the interview,
and did not allow his name to be used. Omar and many other ex-ISIS
fighters convicted of mass murder or terrorism charges may well spend
the rest of their lives in prison. Other ex-ISIS fighters judged to be
non-terrorists will serve lesser sentences, or will be released among
the general population.
At another point in the interview, Omar said he joined ISIS to get
away from his new bride. Saying she had “something in her head – she
looked normal on the outside, but she wasn’t,” Omar added that his wife
“couldn’t have babies.” He then acknowledged, with a shrug, that by
fleeing to join the murderous jihadi army he left his family responsible
for paying his wife’s family a fortune.
“I would call you to Islam and if you did not come I would kill you.”- "Omar," ISIS fighter held by Kurds
Omar said he deserted ISIS and fled to Kurdistan in an attempt to
blend in and find work, but was arrested by police on Oct. 8, after
being identified by Kurdish intelligence agents.
Although he said at times that he wished to take up arms with the
Iraqi military or the Kurds, there were several instances in which Omar
used the pronoun for “we” when discussing Daesh, a possible giveaway of
his true sentiments toward non-believers in general, and Americans in
particular.
“We count Americans like Jews,” he said at one point in the interview. He had similarly hostile views of Western women.
Asked what he would do if he saw his female interviewer on the
street, he replied, “I would call you to Islam and if you didn’t, I
would leave you alone.” Pressed, he corrected himself. “I would call you
to Islam and if you did not come, I would kill you.”
Omar was one of two former Islamic State fighters who spoke to FoxNews.com
at the Asaish facility, where terrorists are held with local criminals.
The other, a 19-year-old Kurd identified as "Dawen," said he was lured
to join by the group’s Facebook pages, which urged Muslims to come fight
in Syria.
Dawen said he spent just 20 days in the world’s most infamous
terrorist army before being arrested two months ago. He said he did not
witness any killings, but had no illusions about Islamic State’s
barbarity.
“I realized that this is not about God, especially after I was
captured,” he said. “I realize this isn’t about God; it is about harming
people. Also, the Kurdish people were nice even with my situation.”
Dawen said he felt regret about joining the group almost immediately.
“I called my family and they were not happy, it was shameful… I felt
weak because they made me act and think a certain way,” he said, when
asked whether joining a terrorist organization made him feel powerful.
“I was asking for forgiveness, even while there.”
Dawen, who faces terrorism charges, also insisted he is learning more
from fellow inmates about other barbarities committed by ISIS, and
suggested Kurdish officials “make anti-terror shows and programs” to
teach others that this is “not the way to be.”
The facility's director of security said most ISIS fighters are
uneducated, and easily led down the bloody path of violent jihad.
“Some regret their actions, some do not,” he said. “Understand that
most are young and have no information. They are impressionable. They
listen to the second-life paradise story, 72 virgins, rivers of wine,
and [staying] young forever. That is all they know.”
Unlike prisoners of ISIS, many of whom have been marched into the
desert and executed, or garbed in orange jumpsuits and forced to kneel
before being beheaded, deserters and captives from the terrorist army
say they are treated well by Kurdish authorities. The two men
interviewed by FoxNews.com were dressed comfortably, clean-shaven, appeared well-nourished and showed no signs of physical injury or abuse.
Both men confirmed they are allowed phone contact with family
members, and seemed aware of recent news events involving ISIS. Both
said they feared being captured by ISIS if released.
Security officers, however, cautioned against believing the prisoners’ expressions of remorse. Both men told FoxNews.com
they wanted to join the Peshmerga, the Kurdish army that has won back
much of the Iraqi and Syrian land seized by ISIS. But Kurdish officials
said neither man could be trusted, noting ISIS has been known to send
spies into Kurdistan.
Kurdish officials privately predicted there was little doubt the two
men, and others like them, would be back fighting for ISIS within days
if they were ever freed.
Referring to former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein’s repeated and
destructive campaigns against the Kurds, the official noted they have
extensive experience handling such threats.
“We have been dealing with terrorist groups since the beginning, so this is not new for us. We specialize in terrorists.”