Clinton-Ukraine collusion allegations 'big' and 'incredible,' will be reviewed, Trump says
President Trump told Fox News' "Hannity"
in a wide-ranging interview Thursday night that Attorney General Bill
Barr is handling the "incredible" and "big" new revelations that
Ukrainian actors apparently leaked damaging information about then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort to help Hillary Clinton's campaign. Last
month, Ukraine Prosecutor General Yurii Lutsenko opened a probe into
the so-called "black ledger" files that led to Manafort's abrupt
departure from the Trump campaign. The investigation commenced after
an unearthed audio recording showed that a senior Ukrainian
anticorruption official apparently admitted to leaking Manafort's
financial information in 2016 -- including his ties to pro-Russian actors in Ukraine -- to benefit Clinton. Ukrainian law enforcement officials said earlier this month they have a slew of evidence of collusion and wrongdoing by Democrats,
and that they have been trying to share this information with U.S.
officials in the Justice Department. A Ukrainian court recently ruled
that the Manafort leak amounted to illegal interference in the U.S.
election. Asked by host Sean Hannity whether Americans need to see
the results of Ukraine's ongoing investigation into whether officials
in that country worked with the Clinton team, Trump replied, "I think we
do."
The leak of damaging financial information on former Trump
campaign chair Paul Manafort's links to pro-Russia actors in Ukraine led
to his departure from the Trump team. Now, it's the subject of a
Ukrainian probe into possible Clinton collusion.
(AP)
"I would imagine [Barr] would want
to see this. ... I would certainly defer to the attorney general, and
we'll see what he says about it," Trump said. "He calls 'em straight." Trump continued: "It sounds like big stuff, very interesting with Ukraine. I just spoke with the new president a while ago, and congratulated him. ... But that sounds like big, big stuff, and I'm not surprised." With those remarks, Trump echoed his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, who wrote on Twitter on Wednesday: "Keep your eye on Ukraine."
A 2017 investigation by Politico
found that Ukrainian officials not only publicly sought to undermine
Trump by questioning his fitness for office, but also worked behind the
scenes to secure a Clinton victory.
Among other initiatives, Politico found, the Ukrainian government worked
with a DNC consultant to conduct opposition research against Trump,
including going after Manafort for Russian ties, helping lead to his
resignation.
"Really, it's a coup. It's spying." — President Trump
The
messages indicated they discussed using briefings to the Trump team
after the 2016 election to identify people they could "develop for
potential relationships," track lines of questioning and "assess"
changes in "demeanor" – language one GOP lawmaker called “more evidence”
of irregular conduct in the original Russia probe.
"They were trying to infiltrate the administration," Trump told host
Sean Hannity. "Really, it's a coup. It's spying. It's hard to believe in
this country we would have had that."
Trump continued: "I
think it's far bigger than Watergate, I think it's possibly the biggest
scandal in political history in this country, maybe beyond political." Trump
summed up the development as "very disconcerting" and emphasized that
Strzok and Page used their government-issued phones not only to exchange
numerous anti-Trump text messages but also to hide their extramarital
affair from their spouses.
"They were going hog wild to find
something about the administration, which obviously wasn't there," Trump
charged, referring to Strzok and Page as "two beauties," "lovers," and
"sick, sick people" who are "like children, when you look at them."
"They're trying to infiltrate the White House, long after the election,"
Trump said. "This is a disgrace. Hopefully the attorney general will do
what's right, and I believe he will. ... It's possibly the greatest
scandal in the history of this country."
FBI Deputy Assistant Director Peter Strzok is seated to testify
before the the House Committees on the Judiciary and Oversight and
Government Reform during a hearing on "Oversight of FBI and DOJ Actions
Surrounding the 2016 Election," on Capitol Hill, Thursday, July 12,
2018, in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
As for his widely mocked tweet that the Obama
intelligence community had wiretapped Trump Tower -- which was followed
months later by the revelation that the FBI had, in fact, monitored one
of his former aides -- Trump said his remarks were the product of a
"little bit of a hunch” and a “little bit of wisdom." Trump
additionally voiced little confidence in Robert Mueller, saying the
special counsel was perhaps "best friends" with former FBI Director
James Comey -- whose termination led to Mueller's appointment. Trump also faulted Mueller for, in his view, needlessly wrecking the careers of many members of his team. Trump
asserted he had "turned down" Mueller to head the FBI, and that Mueller
was "conflicted" not only "because of the fact that Comey and him are
best friends," but also because Trump "had a nasty business transaction"
with Mueller.
Without taking questions from reporters about the Mueller report,
President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump walk to board Marine
One for the short trip to Joint Base Andrews then on to his estate in
Palm Beach, Fla., at the White House in Washington, Thursday, April 18,
2019. (Associated Press)
That was an apparent reference to an episode, referenced in Mueller's
report, in which Mueller sought a refund -- apparently unsuccessfully --
from Trump after withdrawing from membership in his golf club. But
Trump said it was a "very good" sign that the New York Times
acknowledged in a recent article that there were credibility problems in
the discredited dossier that the FBI used to justify surveilling one of
his campaign aides. The Times finally joined a chorus of
publications that have long cast doubt on the dossier's veracity,
writing that the document "financed by Hillary Clinton’s campaign and
the Democratic National Committee" was "likely to face new, possibly
harsh scrutiny from multiple inquiries." The article noted that
British ex-spy Christopher Steele relied in part on Russian sources and
that, ironically, the document could have been part of a "Russian
disinformation" effort to smear Trump even as Moscow was going after
Clinton. The
article, Trump said, suggested that dossier skepticism, once panned as
denialism, has entered the mainstream -- now that Mueller's report
found "some of the most sensational claims in the dossier appeared to be
false, and others were impossible to prove." As he did in his previous interview on "Hannity," Trump
vowed to declassify and release not only the documents related to the
surveillance warrants to surveil his campaign, and even more. "Everything's going to be declassified, and more," Trump said. "It'll all be declassified."
"Everything's going to be declassified, and more. It'll all be declassified." — President Trump
Responding to the entrance of Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential race,
Trump emphasized the economic growth and health care successes for
veterans under his administration, who "don't have to die waiting in
line" anymore. Biden attracted mockery on Thursday for insisting that he told former President Barack Obama not to endorse his run. "I've known Joe over the years. He's not the brightest lightbulb in the group," Trump said. "But he has a name they know."
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